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If you've been listening to the show for a while, you might remember late last summer

when I interviewed Alex Hahnold.

If you haven't heard of Alex, he's one of the best free solo climbers ever.

In June of 2017, he climbed about 3,000 feet in just under four hours

to the top of El Capitan in Yosemite,

and he free-sold it, meaning he did it without any ropes.

Here's a little bit of our conversation from last year, and it's important because next we're talking to the people

who filmed Alex's amazing accomplishment, which has been

nominated for a huge award.

I think about you free soloing El Capitan. It's an idea I think I heard you say you had since

2009. It's a long time to stick with a goal. But it wasn't like a goal. It was more like simmering back burner goal. It was only like a goal for the last year or two. But no, no, I mean, but in an eight year dream is still a big thing, right, for sure. How did you stay focused? Like what are some of the things you did to stay focused?

Well, I mean I wasn't focused on Al-Kap. It was always like for the first six years or so.

It was more, you know, like, oh, I'll do that next year and then I'd show up in Yosemite and look at the wall and be like,

hell no, I'm not doing that this year, like it's way too scary.

And so, you know.

So you actually had that, that, okay, that's pretty good.

I mean, otherwise I would have done it in 2009.

And I mean, had I tried in 2009, you know, there's a 75% chance I would have done it.

But, you know, I wasn't really comfortable with that 25% that I didn't.

But yeah, I mean, it always looked scary because it wasn't that certain

because there was a pretty good chance

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