I'm so happy to be here. I remember when you first started this podcast, so it feels

like quite a journey to see you now like in your little closet office. Well thank you for saying

that it's funny because you and I met I feel like was it a year ago it was cold. I think it was

yeah it was like a year ago um it was just like for dinner and it was like the first time we had

met each other. Yeah you invited me to my first ever creator dinner and I remember being first of all

so excited and also I was like oh what a great hack instead of being a douche can they

when calling yourself an influencer you could say you're a creator and suddenly it doesn't sound

nearly as annoying and it's a lot more in line with what I feel like we do so I was like oh my god

you gave me a great terminology that night. You know I'm happy to help and I think at that time

I was also trying to meet people who weren't necessarily just trying to like make a bunch of ads

because that's what I thought being an influencer was and being a creator was but I've always felt

a little bit like not ostracized but like I didn't fit in with a lot of the people I saw on my feed

and then I saw your stuff and I was like oh my gosh she's like you know talking about things and

like yeah she has pores on her face and like look at it. Yeah it's like look she she's had a

nose job and talked about it like I was like this is a this is a real person and I kind of want to

get to know her so I selfishly I think I use that dinner as an excuse to just meet other people

I wanted to meet. I love that I love that well you honor me and you've had a very interesting people

probably recognize you from TikTok and giving law advice and things like that but you've had a

little bit of a journey over the last year I was excited to have you on because you recently

launched your own podcast called currently workshopping what maybe two months ago three months ago.

Six weeks ago I'm yeah I'm at episode six I think your episodes you would be episode seven so

you're lucky you're getting indeed and your topics you know it's it's not about law although we

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