Crashed in the Canadian Wilderness | The Bonds Forged by Wapiti 402 | 4
Against The Odds
Wondery
4.7 • 7.2K Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2025
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
In 1984, Carol Shaben was just 22-years-old when her father, politician Larry Shaben, narrowly survived the Wapiti 402 crash. Nearly 30 years later, she chronicled the crash and the unlikely friendships it forged in her book, Into the Abyss. Today, Carol joins host Cassie De Pecol to discuss how the experience shaped the lives of the four survivors, especially her father.
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| 0:00.0 | Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Against the Odds early and ad-free right now. |
| 0:05.6 | Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. |
| 0:09.6 | A quick note. |
| 0:10.7 | At the end of today's episode, we'll be joined by the folks from Amazon Books, |
| 0:14.5 | who are sharing their recommendations exclusively for fans of Against the Odds. |
| 0:18.7 | Stick around to find your next favorite book. |
| 0:28.1 | Thank you. for fans of Against the Odds. Stick around to find your next favorite book. From Wondery, I'm A lot of On October 19, 1984, a small plane carrying 10 people crashed in the wilderness of northern |
| 1:05.8 | Alberta and Canada. |
| 1:07.3 | Four men survived. |
| 1:08.5 | The pilot, a politician, a cop, and his prisoner. Despite coming from |
| 1:13.0 | very different walks of life, they leaned on each other to make it through the freezing night, |
| 1:17.8 | but surviving the crash was just the beginning. Each of them faced their own struggles afterward, |
| 1:23.3 | as they tried to come to terms with what happened and figure out how to move forward with their lives. |
| 1:28.8 | One of the survivors was Larry Shabin, the politician who was Alberta's housing minister at the time. |
| 1:34.4 | More than two decades later, his daughter, Carol Shabin, wrote about the crash in its aftermath in her powerful book, Into the Abyss. |
| 1:42.8 | Carol also worked with us as a consultant on this series, and she's here with us today. |
| 1:47.7 | Hi, Carol. |
| 1:48.6 | Hi, Cassie. |
| 1:49.9 | It was in the late evening on October 19, 1984, when Wapity Flight 402 went down. |
| 1:56.3 | You were only 22 years old at the time. |
| 1:58.7 | Where were you when you first heard about the crash? |
| 2:01.4 | I was actually working as a journalist in Jerusalem. It was the strangest thing. Every morning I would |
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