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Oh God, What Now?

Cracks in the Union Jack

Oh God, What Now?

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Politics, Government, News, Society & Culture

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2020

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Is the Government’s piecemeal lockdown driving as big a wedge between the North and South of England as there is between Westminster and the devolved governments? Plus our special guests, Manchester University politics professors Rob Ford and Maria Sobolewska, join us to talk about their new book Brexitland: Identity, Diversity and the Reshaping of British Politics. Do the roots of Brexit really go back to the 1960s? And where do we go now that we’re all alone in Brexitland, our only home? “Once voters see politics as a big fight of us against them, it’s really hard to get them to think about anything else.” – Rob Ford “In Johnson’s conference speech, the only mention of the North was a jibe at North London.” – Ros Taylor “People may want lockdown, but not necessarily for themselves” – Ros Taylor “If Remain had won, the leavers in the Conservative party wouldn’t have given up as easily as Cameron assumed” – Maria Sobolewska Presented by Dorian Lynskey with Ros Taylor and Alex Andreou. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producer: Jacob Archbold. Audio production by Alex Rees. Remainiacs is a Podmasters production. Get your free download of our theme tune ‘Demon Is A Monster’ by Cornershop. Our new companion podcast THE BUNKER is now DAILY too. Get it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Acast and more platforms every day. Oh and RSS too. Remainiacs isn’t going away just because Brexit is happening. We’ll be here throughout to keep the pro-European movement informed, entertained and fired up. Get every new episode a whole day early when you back us on the Patreon crowdfunding platform. You’ll also get our monthly Ask Remainiacs special episode plus smart merchandise, an exclusive weekly column by our panel, and discounts on #RemainiacsLive tickets too. #OwnTheRemoan remainiacs.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Romania which has now been elevated to a tier 3 podcast.

0:12.0

I'm Doria Lidsky and joining me this week is Ros Taylor and a tour of the LSE's COVID-19

0:17.0

blog Hi Ross.

0:18.0

Hello.

0:19.0

After months of course your support for the government's COVID measures.

0:22.0

Starmer has just called for a short circuit break a lockdown about two weeks in line with

0:27.0

sage recommendations.

0:28.0

So it seems to me that either Johnson agrees which he hasn't done at PMQ's but either he agrees

0:34.0

in the coming days and Starmer looks like he's making the running or he doesn't and then

0:39.0

he takes all responsibility for any kind of negative consequences.

0:43.0

Is this a rare example of a risk-free tactic for labour?

0:49.0

Well Starmer's funny thing so and the scoot.

0:52.0

It's a good move at the moment.

0:53.0

It's good positioning.

0:54.0

It fits with people's impression of Starmer's personality which is safety first,

0:59.0

which is cautious, which is responsible.

1:01.0

It also shows empathy with the North West.

1:04.0

If you're in the North West you're already under quite strict lockdown measures and so the

1:10.0

prospect of a national lockdown is not quite so bad as it is if you're in parts of the country

1:15.0

that aren't so badly affected.

1:17.0

That said he didn't quite carry it off I think at PMQ's today.

1:23.0

Johnson was able quite effectively to argue that a two week lockdown was a nightmare scenario

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