“Cracks are seeming to emerge”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

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🗓️ 21 August 2023

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Nicolle Wallace discusses new reporting that Mark Meadows has told special counsel Jack Smith's investigators that he could not recall Trump ever ordering, or even discussing, declassifying broad sets of classified materials before leaving the White House, questions from the left and right about whether a man who incited an insurrection legally run for president, a conversation with U.S. District Court Judge Esther Salas about her son’s murder and the alarming rise of violence and threats against judges, jurors and civil servants and more. Joined by: Jon Karl, David Jolly, Glenn Kirschner, Basil Smikle, Asa Hutchinson, Judge Esther Salas, Mary McCord, Pete Strzok and Eddie Glaude.

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0:00.0	Hi there, everyone. It's Fourthark in New York on a big news day, attempting to subvert
0:12.2	the peaceful transfer of power. Apparently was not enough for ex-Chiefestaff Mark Meadows
0:17.1	to break with his boss, Donald Trump. Neither were wild conspiracy theories that Italian
0:22.9	satellites had switched modes from Trump to Biden. But now, now, according to brand new
0:28.3	blockbuster reporting from ABC News, some cracks are seeming to emerge, and that alliance
0:34.6	between the now four times indicted ex-president and his loyal ex-Chiefestaff Mark Meadows.
0:40.2	From that brand new reporting quote, appearing to contradict Trump's primary public defense
0:45.0	in the classified documents case, Mark Meadows has told special counsel Jack Smith investigators
0:51.2	that he could not recall Trump ever ordering or even discussing declassifying broad sets
0:57.8	of classified materials before leaving the White House, nor was he aware of any standing
1:02.7	order from Trump authorizing the automatic declassification of materials taking out of
1:08.8	the Oval Office. That reporting, according to sources familiar with the matter. NBC News
1:13.5	has not confirmed the reporting, but so far, Mark Meadows has remained very, very quiet
1:19.6	about Jack Smith's classified dog's investigation, where Trump has pleaded not guilty to 40 criminal
1:25.4	charges. However, we do know that Mark Meadows has testified before a federal grand jury,
1:31.5	and that that happened earlier this year. ABC's new reporting sheds light on Meadows ties to this
1:37.8	case regarding a central criminal charge in Smith's superseding indictment, the willful retention
1:44.1	of a classified document that showed a military plan to attack Iran. One Trump allegedly showed
1:50.1	multiple people during a July 2021 meeting at his Bedminster Club. It was referenced in Meadows'
1:56.2	book. According to an early draft of that book's prologue that ABC News reviewed, the draft,
2:02.1	quote, includes a description of Trump having a classified war plan, quote, on the couch,
2:08.0	at his office in Bedminster, New Jersey, at a meeting attended by Meadows ghost writer and
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