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Cracking Down on Ghost Guns

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The Biden Administration recently announced a new policy aimed at cracking down on ghost guns—homemade weapons without serial numbers, making them harder to trace. But with gun violence on the rise, will this particular move make a meaningful difference? Guest: David Chipman, senior policy advisor at Giffords, a gun violence prevention organization.  If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of time.

0:10.0

Hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think a frozen nose is a sweaty armpit

0:15.0

because your wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps and heath and you get to the top

0:20.0

and you're like, and then you can see the breath but then your nose is still freezing to touch.

0:25.0

Joy in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

0:36.0

For 25 years, David Chipman was an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

0:41.0

Well there were a lot of things that aren't like TV.

0:45.0

He investigated major events like the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

0:52.0

But a lot of his job revolved around smaller scale tragedies involving deadly gun violence.

1:01.0

At the beginning of his career, he decided that this work was worthy of the full measure of his devotion,

1:06.0

even if it involved dangerous moments in the field.

1:09.0

And that becomes clear when you're sacrificing your life, right?

1:13.0

Like at some point during a number of SWAT operations, like just a function with that ever present fear

1:20.0

you sort of had to calculate that you were okay with dying.

1:24.0

Chipman rose up the ranks as an ETF agent and eventually took charge of the Bureau's entire firearms program.

1:31.0

But along the way, he became disillusioned.

1:34.0

He'd been willing to die in service of the mission he thought he'd been given to reduce gun violence.

1:40.0

But he started to wonder if other people, powerful people, actually wanted this mission to succeed.

1:46.0

My frustration was with the government itself and actually members of the government and lobbies were trying to actively prevent me from solving crime.

1:58.0

But like by the end of my career, I was left with a fact like I don't believe everyone views gun violence as a problem.

2:07.0

And in fact, some people see it as an opportunity.

2:10.0

After leaving ETF about a decade ago, Chipman became an advisor to gun control organizations.

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