You know what, Mark Twain? Maybe you're an allegory of one. You ever look in the mirror and think about that?

Welcome to your wrong about. I'm Sarah Marshall, and today we're talking about coyotes,

exclamation point, with Lulu Miller.

Lulu Miller is the host of Terrestrials. She's the co-host of Radio Lab. She's the former co-host of NPR's Invisibilia.

And of course, she's the author of the bestseller, Why Fish Don't

Exist.

Lulu was last on a couple years ago for our lesbian seagulls episode.

I loved making that episode, and I loved making this one with her, too.

This is also kind of a sassy sisterpiece to a new terrestrial's episode called The Howler,

the dog who joined a coyote pack. So if you like this episode, please check out that one too

and check out terrestrials. In this episode, we talked about some of the history of coyotes,

that history being entwined with American history as a whole, what it takes to be a survivor,

and how humans can identify with the animal world without just projecting ourselves onto what we see.

Lulu also wants us to tell you that during her research on coyotes,

she learned quite a lot from the conservation scientist carnivore

ecologist and urban ecologist Dr. Christine E. Wilkerson, and that a lot of what we get into in this

episode comes through Dr. Wilkerson's research. And as a fun bonus, at the very end of this episode,

we have a clip of Lulu Miller interviewing Dr. Christine Wilkerson.

If you want bonus episodes, we have plenty for you on Patreon and Apple Plus subscriptions. And our newest one is a fun jaunt through newspapers.com that I took with Chelsea Webbersmith.

We gave each other a few words.

We went out on a scavenger hunt,

and we brought each other back what we found. And shortly we will be coming out with a new

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