Covid: The evidence for natural origin (Robert Wright & Peter Miller)
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🗓️ 8 August 2024
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0:28 Peter’s background and (Root)claim to fame 4:14 How Peter caught the Covid origins bug 9:49 The Wuhan wet market: source or amplifier? 14:47 Holes in the lab leak theory 24:57 The patient zero problem 28:25 A statistical deep dive into the wet market 43:13 What the genetic evidence can (and can’t) tell us 1:01:46 Can we “trust the science” on Covid? 1:07:39 Has tribalism made resolving the debate impossible? 1:13:32 Why lab leak matters—even if it didn’t happen
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Peter Miller (https://medium.com/@tgof137, https://www.youtube.com/@tgof137). Recorded August 06, 2024.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast. You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast. |
| 0:29.3 | Hi, Peter. |
| 0:30.9 | Hi, Bob. |
| 0:31.9 | How you doing? |
| 0:33.1 | I'm good. |
| 0:34.3 | Good. |
| 0:35.3 | Let me introduce this. |
| 0:36.5 | I'm Robert Wright, publisher, The Non-Zero Newsletter is the non-zero podcast. You are Peter Miller. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. You earlier this year became kind of famous in some circles for being judged the winner in a debate on the origins of COVID. You argue that it wasn't a lab leak it was uh infected |
| 0:57.8 | wildlife at the now famous um seafood market it was an unusual debate because both sides put up |
| 1:08.0 | a hundred thousand dollars and it was winter take all We can get into the details of how that came to |
| 1:12.0 | be part of it later. So you wound up winning $100,000. And I gathered that as the debate |
| 1:19.9 | proceeded, the betting markets that were betting on the outcome, more and more moved in your favor. |
| 1:26.2 | And having watched most of it it's |
| 1:28.6 | very long but having watched almost all of it i think or listened to almost all of it i can understand |
| 1:34.1 | why i mean you're very good uh debater um your command of the subject was all the more impressive |
| 1:40.2 | uh in light of the fact that you're not a credentialed expert. You got interested in COVID doing most |
| 1:48.0 | of us did by being in the middle of pandemic. And by the way, I should say that yesterday for the |
| 1:55.7 | first time in my entire life, I tested positive for COVID. So I don't feel that great. So if I fall short of peak cognitive |
| 2:03.8 | performance, I hope you and our listeners will forgive me. It just seemed like it would be too |
| 2:08.4 | ironic to use COVID as a reason not to have a conversation about the ultimate reason I have COVID, |
| 2:16.5 | right? So I'm sorry to hear that. |
| 2:19.2 | It was the same for me where like the first day, I knew I had it, but the symptoms |
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