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Hello and welcome to the Inside Health podcast. I'm James Gallagher. And I've got a bit of a

confession because I'll be honest, I don't really know how to feel at the moment because on the

one hand, I'm really excited by vaccines. On the other hand, it's just depressing looking at the

COVID numbers day by day going into lockdown again. And we all know that last year was really undeniably grim,

but I wanted to get a sense of what 2021 could be like.

So inside health listeners, we've lined up Professor Neil Ferguson from Imperial College London to talk to you.

Now, he's cropped up many times,

but I first remember speaking to him about this pandemic

nearly a year ago when he emailed me out of the blue one Friday afternoon to say that he

thought there were hundreds, if not thousands of cases already in Wuhan when officially

there are only about a dozen. His advice, often bleak, is still informing the government,

but I promise you, some of this interview is good news.

The most important question, of course, is did you get any time off over the Christmas break?

I got Christmas day off, and I got a few hours and a few other days off, but it has been a very busy time.

I've got a couple of questions for you, and my hope is we can get a yes or no answer to these.

2021, will it be better or worse than 2020?

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