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The Lawfare Podcast

Covert Action, Regime Change and International Law with Michael Poznansky

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2020

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

We normally think of international law as constraining leaders' actions, especially aggression toward other countries. But what if one effect of an established international principle actually spurs more covert action against other countries? Michael Poznansky is an assistant professor of International Affairs and Intelligence Studies in the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs, with a secondary appointment in the Political Science department, at the University of Pittsburgh. In his new book, "In the Shadow of International Law: Secrecy and Regime Change in the Postwar World," Mike argues just this—that the principle of non-intervention that has come up in the past century has actually created powerful motives for leaders to engage in covert action more frequently to spur regime change. David Priess sat down with Mike to talk through his thesis and its implications.

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no bull and the aftermath.

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I end day is successfully sworn in as the president of Chile in November of 1970 and

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for the next three years basically the Nixon administration shifts gears and

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works in a variety of areas political economic and military to destabilize and

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undermine I end day and eventually it seems to work in 1973 September 11th.

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I end day is overthrown by Augusto Pinochet who is the dictator for the next

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nearly two decades and there's a longstanding debate about the kind of

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marginal influence that US involvement had in the ultimate coup but it's clear

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from the historical record that for three years the administration was

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certainly trying from the shadows to overthrow I end day.

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I'm David Prius and this is the LawFair podcast June 5th 2020.

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We normally think of international law as constraining leaders actions

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especially aggression toward other countries but what if one effect of an

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established international principle actually spurs more covert action against

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other countries. Michael Pzenanski is an assistant professor of international

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affairs and intelligence studies in the Graduate School of Public and International

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Affairs with a secondary appointment in the political science department at the

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University of Pittsburgh. In his new book in the shadow of international law

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