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We the People

Covering the Supreme Court

We the People

National Constitution Center

History, News Commentary, News

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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In this episode, Jess Bravin of The Wall Street Journal, Jan Crawford of CBS News, and Fred Smith Jr. of Stanford Law School join to explore polarization on the Court and the role of the media and the political branches in shaping public perceptions. Resources Trump v. CASA, Inc. (2025) Jess Bravin and Mariah Timms, “Supreme Court Limits Rulings Against Trump on Birthright Citizenship,” The Wall Street Journal (June 27, 2025)  Jan Crawford, Supreme Conflict: The Inside Story of the Struggle for the Control of the United States Supreme Court (2007)  Fred O. Smith, Jr. and Peter O’Neill, “The Forgotten Face of ‘Our Federalism,’” The Yale Law Journal (forthcoming, 2026) Stay Connected and Learn More Questions or comments about the show? Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Continue the conversation by following us on social media @ConstitutionCtr. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to receive Constitution Weekly, our email roundup of constitutional news and debate. Follow, rate, and review wherever you listen. Join us for an upcoming ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠live program⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or watch recordings on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Support our important work. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Donate

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0:00.0

This week, the National Constitution Center and Texas A&M University School of Law

0:04.7

convened a Supreme Court Review Symposium with leading constitutional scholars and commentators.

0:14.0

Hello, friends. I'm Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center,

0:18.7

and welcome to We the People, a weekly show of constitutional debate.

0:22.5

The National Constitution Center is a nonpartisan nonprofit, chartered by Congress, to increase awareness and understanding of the Constitution among the American people.

0:31.9

In this episode, I'm joined by three of America's leading Supreme Court commentators, Jess Braven of the Wall Street Journal,

0:38.2

Jan Crawford of CBS News,

0:40.2

and Fred Smith, Jr. of Stanford Law School.

0:43.1

Together we explore polarization on the court

0:45.4

and the role of the media and the president

0:47.6

in shaping public perceptions.

0:50.3

Enjoy the show.

0:54.5

Friends, our last panel ended with a vigorous discussion of whether the current court represents the triumph of John Marshall or Neville Chamberlain.

1:07.9

And also the competing visions of Justice Jackson and Justice Barrett.

1:12.6

And I want to start with that remarkable debate now.

1:16.6

In the Trump and Casas case, Justice Jackson, in her separate dissent,

1:21.6

accused the conservative majority of creating a zone of lawlessness that represented an existential threat

1:28.8

to the rule of law,

1:30.2

and Justice Barrett responded

1:31.9

for six justices in the majority,

1:35.7

that Justice Barrett's dissent

1:37.7

has no basis in two centuries of precedent,

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