Hey folks, Preet Berrara here.

Joyce Fans is out this week, so joining me today is a special guest, my friend Trevor Morrison.

Trevor is a law professor and Dean Emeritus at New York University School of Law.

We discussed three big stories making the headlines.

A judge struck down President Trump's executive order targeting the law firm

Perkins-Cooey. A court ruled the Trump administration's use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport

alleged Venezuelan gang members is unlawful. And the Trump administration's ongoing resistance

to court orders compelling the return of Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia. If you're a cafe insider,

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Now, on to the show.

So as everyone knows, there's another important immigration case, if you want to call it

that, in the news it has galvanized a lot of people on both sides, and that is the case we

referenced earlier in passing, the matter of Kilmar Abrago-Garcia, who, just to remind everyone

very quickly, was notwithstanding an order that barred his deportation. And that was saying the

question of whether or not he is a member of MS-13 or not. He now sits in a notorious

maximum security prison in El Salvador,

and there's a back and forth on whether or not the administration will do something that means something to facilitate his return to the United States.

How does that stand?

So I think we're, I mean, it's incredibly troubling

set of developments, to put it mildly. Where we are currently, I think, is that the president has,

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