Courtroom Erupts: Dealer Turns on Carmen — Judge Cuts the Cameras | Kouri Richins Trial Day 5 Recap

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🗓️ 1 March 2026

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Day five of the Kouri Richins trial wasn’t about pills — it was about credibility, motive, and whether the state’s star witnesses are starting to unravel. In this episode, we break down the intense cross-examination of Carmen Lauber, whose timeline of alleged drug purchases shifted under pressure, and the stunning testimony of Robert Crozier, who flatly told the jury he never sold Carmen fentanyl — only oxycodone. From immunity deals and paused drug court to pricing arguments, conflicting affidavits, and whether detectives shaped key details over time, the math suddenly isn’t mathing. The prosecution tried to steady the ship on redirect, but with inconsistent memories, evolving statements, and a second dealer contradicting the fentanyl narrative, the courtroom energy shifted in a way that could change everything. Sponsors: Blissy: Wake up with clearer skin, smoother hair, and cooler sleep—use code HIDDEN for an extra 30% off at https://blissy.com/HIDDEN OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with code hidden at https://oneskin.co #ad About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Today's trial, day five, to be exact, of the Corey Richens trial.
0:05.9	And for those just joining us, Corey Richens, a Utah mother accused of fatally poisoning her husband, Eric Richens.
0:14.0	And today, honestly, I'm just gonna lay it out here.
0:17.4	It did leave me wondering if the prosecution is in trouble, because after
0:22.6	our key witness, Carmen, took the stand, Robbie, he's another drug dealer. He also took the stand.
0:32.8	These two testimonies could change everything about this case. And I don't even mean that as like a really
0:39.4	cool clickbait headline. This changes everything. I really mean it because these are the star
0:44.4	witnesses for the state, right? Their stories are not adding up and we're going to go through
0:51.8	everything because the math ain't math in. Hidden True Crime
0:56.4	has been following this case from the very beginning and I'm Lauren Matthias and today, honestly,
1:01.9	the courtroom energy completely shifted. First off, it was a packed courtroom, which already gave
1:07.6	the morning a different energy. We had a few days where it wasn't packed. And you
1:12.2	could feel that people knew this testimony was really important. People showed back up,
1:17.6	except for those that were sketching the jurors because we don't do that in these cases.
1:23.3	So, but everyone else was there. And Carmen Lauber was back on the stand and defense attorney
1:28.5	Lewis picked up right where she left off with cross-examination and many of us here at
1:33.5	hidden Jew crime we were we kind of left off but it was a little intense intense where it left
1:39.4	off right with Carmen like we didn't really appreciate the questioning from the defense.
1:45.0	And Carmen, of course, though, to remind those, she's the house cleaner or former house
1:52.0	cleaner of Corey Richens who previously testified that Corey asked her to buy illicit pills
1:59.0	four separate times around when Eric Richens died. 39-year-old Eric
2:02.8	Richens, father of three. And so Lewis started by backing up and focusing on Carmen's working
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