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The Rich Roll Podcast

Courtney Dauwalter: Mindset Secrets From The World's Best Ultrarunner

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.8 • 12.9K Ratings

🗓️ 2 August 2021

⏱️ 108 minutes

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Summary

We tend to think of high-performance athletes as superhuman—a rare species with extraordinary strength and a preternatural ability to suffer. But if you ask today’s guest what distinguishes the elite athlete and everyone else, she’ll say nothing. For her, the secret to high-level performance isn’t about cutting edge training plans, coaches, or carefully honed nutrition. For her, it’s instead found in seeking out and celebrating the pain cave, that deep place of physical discomfort most go to great lengths to avoid. Meet Courtney Dauwalter, the world’s best female ultrarunner—and when it comes to races 200 miles and longer—arguably the best period. A humble mater of grit and boundary-busting physical prowess, Courtney is universally loved and admired for her winning smile, mental fortitude and intuitive training style (she doesn’t even have a coach). In addition to being named one of the 50 Fittest Athletes in the World by Sports Illustrated and a two-time Ultrarunner of the Year, among her countless accomplishments, Courtney: won the 2017 Moab 240 (including beating all the men) by an astonishing 10 hour margin; won the 2020 Big Dog Backyard Ultra by clocking 283 miles (again beating all the men); won the women’s division of 2018 The Western States 100; broke the Tahoe 200 female course record in 2018 by 18+ hours; and was the fastest female at the 2019 UTMB, considered the world’s most prestigious ultra Not bad for an athlete who didn’t even begin her professional running career until she was 32 years old. The thing about Courtney is that she lives in the moment. She’s a doer. She doesn’t overthink things. She trains on feel, eats what she wants, and does it all with joy and a laudable degree of humility and perspective. But behind it all is a very intentional human—an athlete of unparalleled mental fortitude with the drive required to test the very limits of human capability. Today we get into all of it. Courtney shares the mindset techniques and tactics that have propelled her superhuman accomplishments. She shares her perspective on career longevity. Her evolution as an athlete. How she approaches unlocking unprecedented performance. And the purpose that lives beneath it all. But if you extract anything from this conversation, may it be the importance of having fun. Why taking things lightly is strength and not a weakness. When you reframe pain as a destination rather than an obstacle, truly anything is possible. To read more click here. You can also watch our exchange on YouTube. And as always, the podcast streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. An athlete I’ve admired for many years, I aspire to Courtney’s unique blend of grit and joy. Yes, she is a badass. But she’s also a good sport. A better human. And an absolutely delightful hang. Enjoy! Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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0:00.0

People are selling themselves short and setting their bars too low of what they could

0:07.0

actually do if they went all in on something.

0:10.2

Whatever they're psyched about to just see what happens if they invest a little more time

0:16.1

and energy into it.

0:17.9

I mean our minds are so powerful so even just like changing the storyline makes it a whole

0:23.8

different game.

0:25.6

So I call it the pain cave that place and I guess probably four or five years ago I viewed

0:34.2

the pain cave as like this place that you should try to put off as long as possible in

0:39.8

a race like make your pain cave be as far away from you as you can and if you arrive to

0:45.3

it then you just sit in it and you try and survive the pain cave.

0:50.8

But in the past couple years I mean it's just a mindset right?

0:54.3

It's like all in our heads this thing and in the past couple of years it's been the place

1:00.6

I want to get to so like changing it to a place where I get to celebrate that I made it

1:06.2

there and then that's where the work actually happened.

1:10.1

So making the pain cave bigger is how I view it instead of like pushing the pain cave

1:16.0

away.

1:17.0

Yeah and I mean it's just telling myself a different story about that place where it hurts

1:21.9

so bad.

1:22.9

You know where before it was like surviving it and now it's like this is so cool we made

1:28.6

it here and now we work.

1:32.0

I'm Courtney Doulter and this is the Rich Roll Podcast.

1:41.9

The Rich Roll Podcast.

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