Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode of surviving the survivor,

the podcast that promises and delivers when it says it will bring you the very best guests in all of true

crime and today a very special panel number one because my mom is on it uh... and we could not figure out she was uh... harassing

vinnipolitan about trying to figure out how to get her phone on landscape mode

harms got a slight cold giving you guys all the update.

But Vennying for some unknown reason seems to really like Carm.

Now her phone is flickering. And so we have her on, whether she is landscape or

portrait mode, it does not matter.

But we do welcome Karm to the show, and of course the other person he would be on the Mount Rushmore of

True Crime Court TV's main anchor Vinny Paul Tan.

He is an Emmy Award-winning legal journalist.

Obviously, the most popular face on court TV.

He's done it all over his career.

And he's no dummy this guy went to

Stanford his father was a federal judge and he began his legal career as a

prosecutor and he's also from the Garden State even though he lives in the

Greater Atlanta area. So Karm is not from the Garden State but she raised me there.

Vinny how you doing?

Sorry to bring you back into this madness.

It's especially crazy today.

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