Content warning. This episode contains discussion of murder, including the murder of a child.

So when I realize that we would be a natural to do an episode

on Valentine's Day.

I thought it would be a natural to do an episode

about couples who kill and talk about a few relevant cases.

And maybe at the end we can discuss a little bit about why we as a society are so

fascinated with couples who kill. Yes. Now before we get into the cases, what counts as a couple?

As it happens, the cases we talk about today are going to involve heterosexual couples, men and women.

But of course, you can be in a same-sex relationship and still commit murders together.

One example that comes to mind as a case

we covered before Leopolden-Lob.

Yeah, yep. They were in a sexual relationship with one another.

That doesn't ever get talked about like I mean like people are fascinated with the

homosexual element of the people people don't talk about them like they're a couple. I think because of

heteronormative standards in society, we tend to envision the sort of the Bonnie and Clyde

archetype of a man and a woman running off together and doing crimes, specifically murders.

So there's a bit of a bias in terms of what gets talked about, I think.

There is, and also I think it's worth noting you don't even necessarily have to be in a sexual relationship to be part of a couple because I'm thinking of the case of Juliet Holm and Pauline Parker.

These were two young women, teenagers,

who were extraordinarily close.

These two girls were very, very close. These two girls were very very close.

And this is in New Zealand, right?

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