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I think with the Trump administration, it's hard to tell,

because there have been these kind of irresponsible skinny budgets that are released,

that it's hard to tell how serious of a policy document those are versus just

in attempt to make a strong case about his glossary.

And in many cases, it was involved dramatic slashes to the state department's budget.

Increases to the dependent gotten budget, although not always clear that it's in the most strategic way.

And then Congress takes a pretty active role and kind of reshapen it into what they think it ought to look like.

And so, you know, I haven't seen a really frank and I think honest budget conversation

and dissimistration that really lays out our resources and how they're going to help us accomplish

a range of national security objectives, including but not limited to counterterrorism.

I'm Matthew Khan, and you're listening to the LawFair podcast, May 29, 2018.

In January 2017, Donald Trump inherited a complex, multifaceted counterterrorism campaign.

And since taking office, he has escalated it both rhetorically and operationally.

On Tuesday, New America convened a panel of Josh Geltzer and Luke Hartig,

both former senior directors for counterterrorism on the Obama National Security Council,

Stephen Tancel, a professor at American University,

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