Countering Chinese Espionage
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 14 December 2019
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Recently, former CIA officer Jerry Lee was arrested and sentenced for his role in misusing classified information. At the same time, reporting indicates that CIA officers in China have been arrested or turned by Chinese authorities. What's the connection between these two? And what does it mean for Chinese counterintelligence work overall? David Priess sat down with John McLaughlin, practitioner-in-residence at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and former acting director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and Shane Harris, intelligence and national security reporter for The Washington Post whose reporting covered much of the Jerry Lee case. They talked about, of course, the Jerry Lee case, counterintelligence in China, and the impact on the U.S.-China relationship.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.0 | He is acknowledging that he conspired, he pled guilty to one count of conspiring to spy |
| 0:39.5 | for China. |
| 0:40.8 | The money, how it got there, who put it there, did he really give information to the |
| 0:45.0 | Chinese is all information that falls into these gaps that run throughout the Jury |
| 0:50.5 | Leaf story. |
| 0:51.8 | Things that he will acknowledge and court, the things that he has never been forced |
| 0:56.1 | to acknowledge, and then potentially the real gaps in understanding that I think the |
| 1:00.0 | agency and the FBI might have about what he actually did and could they genuinely prove |
| 1:05.9 | that this took place. |
| 1:06.9 | I've talked to people who will tell you that there is a lot of smoke around this person |
| 1:10.9 | and they'll acknowledge that. |
| 1:12.7 | And then people who are absolutely convinced that he gave this information to the Chinese, |
| 1:17.1 | but that is ultimately not what he pleaded guilty to. |
| 1:21.8 | I'm David Prius and this is the LawFair podcast, December 14th, 2019. |
| 1:28.2 | Recently former CIA officer Jerry Lee was arrested and sentenced for his role in misusing |
| 1:35.0 | classified information. |
| 1:37.2 | At the same time reporting indicates that CIA officers in China have been arrested or |
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