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The WallBuilders Show

Counseling And Free Speech - with Kelly Shackelford

The WallBuilders Show

Tim Barton, David Barton & Rick Green

Wallbuilders Show, Education, Constitutional, Church, Christianity, History, Conservative, America, Family, Christian, Biblical, Religion & Spirituality, Wallbuilders.show, Government, News, Politics

4.82.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Colorado tried to do something chillingly simple: let one side of a heated cultural debate speak freely, then make the other side a punishable offense. We dig into the Supreme Court’s 8–1 decision rejecting that approach, and why it’s bigger than a single headline about “conversion therapy” bans. When the state can outlaw a counselor’s viewpoint, free speech stops being a constitutional right and becomes a permission slip. We’re joined by Kelly Shackelford from First Liberty Institute to exp...

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0:00.0

Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture.

0:09.0

It's the Walbolders show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical,

0:13.0

and constitutional perspective.

0:14.0

It's Monday.

0:15.0

Hope you had a fantastic Easter weekend.

0:17.0

And here we go into a new week.

0:20.0

And last week we had some victories we didn't get a chance to talk about during that week.

0:25.4

So we've got one of those specifically today that we'll talk about.

0:27.7

So talk about hot topics.

0:29.2

One of those is what the left calls conversion therapy.

0:32.6

Normal people would just simply say it's counseling.

0:35.6

But we're going to talk about that and the victory at the Supreme Court. I'm Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. Visit our websites at wallbuilders. Show. That's the radio site for all of the previous programs of the last few weeks and months. And then wallbuilders.com for everything else, wallbuilders and history related. David and Tim, all right, great victory at the Supreme Court, 8-1, and on an issue where in states,

0:57.0

we've actually been losing for a while, and people literally lost their license or not been

1:01.6

able to counsel simply because they wanted to counsel from a biblical worldview.

1:05.9

Yeah, and Rick, over the last week or so, there's been some very significant things coming

1:10.6

from the Supreme Court.

1:11.7

In fact, even from, was it a federal court, appellate court, I'm trying to think what is in Colorado,

1:19.7

the lady that was imprisoned in Colorado, and now they're sending hers back down to the lower,

1:25.5

or was it the Supreme Court that did that?

1:27.2

Tina Peters said that. I think it was the Court the Supreme Court that did that? Tina Peters said that.

1:28.2

I think it was the Court of Appeals that did that.

1:30.7

Yeah, Court of Appeals of all places, Colorado, right? Where you usually have a justice system that, you know, abused Jack Phillips for, what, a decade or two? So this is not a court system. We have a lot of faith in there. No, but all of this to say is there's been a lot of really good victories over the last week.

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