Could THIS Bring Starmer Down? w/. 'THE FRAUD' author Paul Holden
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🗓️ 15 October 2025
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'The Fraud: Keir Starmer, Morgan McSweeney, and the Crisis of British Democracy' is available from OR Books: https://orbooks.com/catalog/the-fraud/
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| 0:00.0 | The Grand Sumo Tournament comes to the Royal Albert Hall. |
| 0:05.0 | Over 40 elite sumo wrestlers from Japan will battle for the coveted title of Grand Champion over five days. |
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| 0:19.0 | From the 15th to the 19th of October. |
| 0:23.1 | For tickets and more information, head to royal alberthall.com. |
| 0:32.0 | Could this bring Kirst Farmer down, it certainly exposes an absolute whopping scandal involving the Prime Minister |
| 0:40.9 | and his whole cottery, his goons, if you will. This really is sensational stuff, honestly, |
| 0:48.0 | and it's a big honour to be joined by Paul Holden, who has a new devastating book out, which is |
| 0:54.1 | very appropriately called The Ford, |
| 0:57.4 | which is obviously all about the Starma Projects. |
| 1:01.9 | Paul, firstly, great to see you. How are you doing? |
| 1:04.4 | I'm very good. Thanks for having me on. |
| 1:08.4 | It's a big honour to have you. Let's just start so this book uh you've just published um which has already made a lot of waves that's had a huge amount of coverage um in the weeks running up to publication and i i understand was causing panic in number 10 um so you know we can all get a bit of shadowed out of that. |
| 1:29.6 | Can you just give a broad brush before I just talk? |
| 1:32.6 | I want to go talk to some of the kind of the actual kind of grim details of all. |
| 1:37.5 | What's the broad brush kind of conclusions of this book about what we're dealing with |
| 1:42.4 | in terms of the Starma project, if you want. |
| 1:45.8 | Sure. I mean, the book is a sort of almost a decade-long history, really, |
| 1:50.0 | looking at the Labour Party and Kirstama's rise to power from 2015 to 2025 to |
| 1:55.4 | 2025, really taking up to the end of his first year in power. |
| 2:02.0 | And the idea behind it was to explore the sort of incredible levels of deception, dishonesty, |
| 2:07.6 | and illegality that drove him to power. |
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