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🗓️ 15 February 2022
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As Theresa May’s final chief of staff, Gavin Barwell knows what it’s like to see a party oust its leader first-hand. He speaks to political correspondent Ailbhe Rea about what it takes to get rid of a leader, where Boris Jonson is going wrong, and whether the Conservatives still feels like his party.
Then in a special We ask Stephen, Ailbhe asks the New Statesman's political editor Stephen Bush why Sadiq Khan finally ran out of patience with Cressida Dick.
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0:31.7 | Hello, I'm Alfa and you're listening to The New Statement podcast. On today's episode, |
0:36.3 | I'm joined by Gavin Barwell, formerly Theresa May's chief of staff in number 10 dining |
0:41.8 | street, and then you ask us, or more precisely, I ask Stephen about the sudden resignation of |
0:48.2 | Cressida Dick as Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. |
0:58.7 | So I'm really pleased to be joined for today's episode by someone who really is the perfect person |
1:04.8 | to speak to for this political moment. He was Theresa May's chief of staff in number 10, |
1:11.5 | and he was by her side to the very end of her premiership before that he was the conservative MP |
1:18.2 | for Croydon Central from 2010 to 2017, and he's not a conservative peer and also an advisor at |
1:25.8 | PWC, including the PWC plug because you have a pristine PWC background there, Gavin. |
1:31.6 | Yeah, great to have you on the podcast. So you were there, as I was saying, for the last days of |
1:38.0 | May. Does this feel to you like these are the last days of Boris Johnson? |
1:43.6 | I think that's probably the case, although last days can be drawn out quite a long time, |
1:48.9 | if you think about Theresa's case, it was probably about six months from when she actually had the |
1:56.9 | vote of confidence in her leadership that she won to when she finally left number 10. So these |
2:01.8 | things can take a while to reach their conclusion, but the reason I would answer your question |
2:07.3 | probably is I think if you look at Boris Johnson's personal polling, somewhere between 16-70% |
2:15.2 | of people think he should resign, his net approval rating is currently round about the level |
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