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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

🇺🇦 Could the Conflict go Nuclear?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

With Vladimir Putin putting Russia’s nuclear deterrent on high alert, could the war take an atomic turn? Or is this merely a tactical move from the Kremlin? And what could the Ukraine crisis mean for nuclear policy in the coming years? Dr Laura Considine, politics professor at Leeds University, joins Arthur Snell to explain the history of nuclear proliferation, atomic weapons in the context of the Russia-Ukraine crisis, and the direction of nuclear policy in the coming years. We're putting out irregular war bulletins covering different aspects of the Ukraine crisis. Help our work, and shape the next full series of Doomsday Watch, by supporting us on Patreon. Resources to help the Ukrainian people can be found here: https://ukrainewar.carrd.co/ “North Korea developed its nuclear weapons secretly while party to the non-proliferation treaty.” “What we’re seeing here is nuclear weapons being used as a means of enabling aggression.” “A lot of tactical nuclear weapons are bigger than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.” “Deterrence is all about what didn’t happen, and it’s very hard to analyse what hasn’t occurred.” DOOMSDAY WATCH was written and presented by Arthur Snell, and produced by Robin Leeburn with Jacob Archbold. Theme tune and original music by Paul Hartnoll. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. DOOMSDAY WATCH is a Podmasters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Arthur Snell. A major war is taking place on the European continent with Russia's

0:07.3

invasion of Ukraine, bringing you a series of special episodes to help you understand

0:12.4

the crisis as it unfolds. This is Doomsday Watch.

0:22.2

Welcome back to another Doomsday Watch war bulletin. We want to start off by saying thank

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in the showrooms. Hello and welcome back to Doomsday Watch. I'm delighted to be joined today

0:58.1

by Professor Laura Considine of the School of Politics and International Studies at the University

1:03.8

of Leeds. Laura is an expert on global nuclear politics, nuclear disarmament and the history

1:09.4

of arms control. Laura, welcome. Thank you. Laura, it is perhaps unfortunate that your area of

1:16.4

expertise has a shot back up the agenda in recent weeks, particularly after a parent saber

1:24.9

rattling by Russia, indicating that they were putting their nuclear forces on a state of

1:31.0

higher readiness. So that's the context in which we're speaking, but I wanted to start with the

1:36.6

kind of the big picture. So perhaps you could start by just describing to listeners which are

1:44.2

the current nuclear arms states and to what extent are they under overarching international

1:50.6

agreements that govern the ways in which they use and manage those weapons? Sure. So at the moment

1:58.2

there are nine nuclear arms states in the world, the US, Russia, the UK, France, China and then

2:06.9

also North Korea, India, Pakistan and Israel. Israel maintains a position of opacity on its nuclear

2:15.7

weapons, whether it doesn't confirm nor deny that it has them, but we do take Israel as a nuclear

2:22.2

arms state. So since these weapons have come into existence, there has developed a kind of a web

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