Could the 2024 Election Be Decided by Memes?
The Political Scene | The New Yorker
The New Yorker
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🗓️ 19 June 2024
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
The New Yorker staff writer Clare Malone joins Tyler Foggatt to analyze how President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump are being skewered on social-media platforms like TikTok and Instagram. She discusses our shifting media habits, why the 2016 election is surfacing in new contexts online, and how both campaigns are relying on algorithms to gain momentum ahead of November.
This episode originally aired on January 31, 2024.
This week’s reading:
- “The Meme-ification of American Politics,” by Clare Malone
- “What the Doomsayers Get Wrong About Deepfakes,” by Daniel Immerwahr
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| 0:00.0 | Democrats think Biden is too old to be an effective president as do Republicans. |
| 0:04.8 | So I think it's this innate thing where people already are inclined to say, listen, this guy is |
| 0:09.7 | old and Biden does have a lot of falls. |
| 0:13.0 | We know that traffic to news sites is way down |
| 0:16.7 | and traffic to social media sites, short form video sites like |
| 0:20.0 | Tik-Toc or Instagram Rails is up and so people are just seeing more and more of these |
| 0:24.8 | videos and it's kind of coalescing in this very interesting it's a vacuum is being |
| 0:29.6 | filled by Tik-Tok videos and genuine voter concerns about Biden's age. |
| 0:34.0 | That's my colleague, Claire Malone. |
| 0:39.0 | Claire is a staff writer for the New Yorker, where she reports on politics and America's shifting media landscape. |
| 0:45.4 | In January, Claire wrote a piece about the mummification of American politics. |
| 0:50.7 | At the time, she joined me for a conversation about how Americans consume the news and why the presidential race might well come down to a few funny videos. |
| 0:59.0 | In the months since, our conversation has only become more relevant. |
| 1:04.7 | Biden and Trump are competing to go viral on Tik-Tock, |
| 1:07.7 | and Republicans are attacking the president with deceptively edited content. |
| 1:12.3 | So I thought it would be a good time to return to this episode |
| 1:15.3 | about what our deranged media ecosystem has done |
| 1:18.4 | to our politics. |
| 1:20.1 | You're listening to the political scene. |
| 1:22.2 | I'm Tyler Foggett, and I'm a senior editor at the New Yorker. |
| 1:28.8 | So you begin your piece by zeroing in on one of the biggest criticisms of |
| 1:32.3 | Joe Biden as he runs for |
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