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The Europeans | European news, politics and culture

Could Europe switch off big tech's algorithms?

The Europeans | European news, politics and culture

Katy Lee and Dominic Kraemer

Society & Culture, News

4.8274 Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

The EU supposedly has some of the world's toughest laws regulating big tech. So why does it still feel like Europeans are being sucked into increasingly polarised online communities, and manipulated during our elections? Can we do anything about it? This week's guest, the Irish internet campaigner Johnny Ryan, argues that a pretty radical solution is within the EU's reach. We're also talking about the Dutch government's collapse, and why bear meat may soon be on the menu in Slovakia.    Johnny is the Director of Enforce. You can follow him on Bluesky here and read his article calling on the EU to switch off social media's algorithms here in The Guardian. A longer version of our interview with Johnny is available on our YouTube channel.   Thanks for listening! If you enjoy our podcasts, we'd love it if you'd consider supporting our work. You can chip in to help us cover the weekly research and production of The Europeans at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/europeanspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (many currencies are available), or gift a donation to a super fan here. We'd also love it if you could tell two friends about this podcast!   This podcast was brought to you in cooperation with Euranet Plus, the leading radio network for EU news.   This week's Inspiration Station recommendations: Last One Laughing UK, LOL: Qui rit, sort, and 'The Mars House' by Natasha Pulley. Bonus: our interview in February with Jean Chalaby about the international TV format trade.Other resources for this episode:'Bears stray into political territory in Romania and Slovakia' - BalkanInsight, April 21, 2025 00:00:46  People, politics and peculiarities00:02:45  Good Week: Dutch leftwing and centrist parties?00:22:01  Bad Week: Bear meat on the menu in Slovakia00:36:43  Interview: Johnny Ryan on why Europe's supposedly tough tech regulation isn't nearly tough enough00:55:53  The Inspiration Station: Last One Laughing UK, Qui rit sort and 'The Mars House' by Natasha Pulley01:00:52  Happy Ending: A condom masterpieceProducers: Morgan Childs and Wojciech OleksiakMixing and mastering: Wojciech OleksiakMusic: Jim Barne and Mariska Martina YouTube | Bluesky | Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | Mastodon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | [email protected]

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0:00.0

This podcast has been produced in cooperation with Uranet Plus, the leading radio network for EU news.

0:11.4

But this podcast would not be possible without the incredibly generous support of our amazing listeners who donate a little bit each month at patreon.com forward slash Europeans

0:22.8

podcast. Hello and welcome to the Europeans, your weekly passport to the people, politics and

0:53.1

peculiarities of Europe.

0:55.4

I'm one of those peculiarities.

0:57.1

I'm Dominic Kramer.

0:58.0

I'm in Amsterdam.

0:59.7

And I'm speaking to...

1:01.7

Am I another one of your peculiarities?

1:03.9

I'm speaking to one of the people in Paris, Casey Lee.

1:09.2

I think we're both peculiar people and that's why our friendship has survived this long.

1:14.8

Hi, how are you?

1:15.8

That's something we can agree on.

1:18.1

I'm fine.

1:19.1

I'm just emerging from a totally windowless week of living in dark theatres, and I'm struggling to process the daylight.

1:26.9

But, yeah, I'm'm fine happy to be here

1:29.3

speaking to you again after a week off yeah for me we had a special episode about Serbia listeners

1:34.5

last week which I co-hosted with Vojchec and if you haven't heard it already go back and listen

1:38.8

because we are super proud of how it turned out yeah it's really good well done all of you oh thank

1:43.9

you but it's lovely to have you back Domin all of you. Oh, thank you. But it's

1:45.1

lovely to have you back, Dominic. What are we going to be talking about this week? Well, in our

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interview slot this week, we're going to be looking at big tech in Europe. We're going to be

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