Hello there. This is Smart Talks with IBM. A podcast from Pushkin Industries,

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I'm Malcolm Galwell.

Today I'm chatting with Adam Grant, an organizational psychologist and professor at the Wharton School,

and author of one of my favorite books. Think Again. He's a longtime friend, and I love to disagree with him.

Well, I hope you're wrong.

I'm afraid you might be partially right,

which is as much as I can ever acknowledge around you being right,

but you always challenge me to think again, which I thoroughly enjoy.

This chat was a part of IBM's Think Conference, where leading innovators talk about technology

that makes a difference and other intriguing conversations with

global perspectives.

Let's dive in.

He and I are going to have a conversation today about this moment that we're in, about whether something

transformational has happened in the way we live and work. And do not expect us to agree. We disagree on virtually everything, but it's always with an undercurrent deep affection

Adam Welcome

Thank you. I don't know if we actually disagree on everything, but I kind of like the sound of that.

It's always important to start on to acknowledge the fact that

there may be major riffs.

So you're so Canadian, but keep going. I am very Canadian. So I'm going to confess that I may I would describe myself as a pandemic

skeptic and I was a pandemic skeptic at the very beginning of the pandemic.

And I'll define what I mean by the skeptic in a moment.

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