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A very good morning to a solid, solidly brilliant man who's doing the papers with me this morning, the extant James Price, how are you?

Good morning, my friend. I've got the talk app ready. There's your face looking back for those. There you are.

Talk app. Download the new talk app, please, before December the 1st. Kirstama, I just, I'm sorry, I know that she's going to go down like a lead balloon.

I am sick to the back teeth of hearing about bloody breakfast clubs.

And I would like to say, again as I did yesterday, that Mark, who comes in at some

ungodly hour and sits here for hours, made a really salient point yesterday. What about adult breakfast clubs for people who get up ungodly hour and sits here for hours made a really salient point yesterday.

What about adult breakfast clubs for people who get up on ungodly hours to do breakfast

shows? Because we get nout but a banana. Is that it with Kea Stama seriously?

Well, I think it goes to the heart of why we've got such a problem in this country when it comes

to the economy. And when you say the economy, people might sort of switch off. But what that means is putting food on your family's table. Right. And he's talking about, oh, we've got free breakfast clubs. What do you mean free? There is nothing, I'm afraid, in this world that is free except perhaps a hug from your mum, right? There is nothing. Mine is dead. I just thought I dropped that in there so nobody hugs me. There you go. I'll give you a hug in a minute, I'll give you a hug in your mum, right? There is nothing... Well, no, mine's dead. I just thought I dropped that in there so nobody hugs me.

There you go. I'll give your hug in a minute, Jaze.

Brilliant, thanks.

But that free, well, it's coming from the people who are listening to this program, who are getting up to go to work. There is nothing free about this. It's just taking money from one set of people to another and if you don't do that in a very efficient way it costs

your money and I also think there's something deeply

actually immoral about saying the government is here to provide all of this stuff. It should be families that do this. My mum would sometimes go around to her mum's house and nicks some bits of bread and go and feed my brother and sister when they're younger around. Because that's the thing that all parents do ahead of anything else you want to look after your own children. Every parent listening to this will understand that. So when the government comes on and says, no, no, we're going to do all this for you. That sounds superficially like quite a nice idea. But actually what that means is the government is abnegating your responsibility to look after your own family. It's why they're going to probably in this budget get rid of the two-child benefit cap, which again means that people who are working hard listen to this program, getting ready to go to work, are going to be paying for those children and people who won't do that. I haven't done the kind of family planning to think how many children we can afford to have. And spiral that over every part of the economy. Absolutely. And there was that clip last week from Reeves when she talked about that two child cap and she was saying, we don't, again, I mean to start this early because Krishna get angry with me, but here's in essence the truth. She said, we don't want children born into poverty. Don't have them if you can't afford it. It is not down to the

stage. Yes, two, but five. No, no, no, what we're doing and it's hardly surprising. Front

page of the Telegraph Day, record numbers of Brits leaving this country. Aspiration, belief, faith in

this country is dissipating, I think, by the minute. Six billion more on benefits. That's in itself.

I mean, I thought she was trying to cut the welfare budget bill.

That didn't work because Labour MP said, oh, no, no, no, we can't do that.

That doesn't look good.

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