[Cosmosis] Fourth Wall Phantoms with Joshua Cutchin

Inquiry with Kelly Chase

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🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 93 minutes

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In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly and Jay sit down with author Joshua Cutchin to explore the provocative ideas behind his latest book, Fourth Wall Phantoms. Known for his groundbreaking work at the intersection of folklore, consciousness, and high strangeness, Cutchin examines the unsettling possibility that fictional characters and narratives might sometimes step into our reality. Together, they dive into the porous boundary between fact and fiction, the role of screen memories and trickster phenomena, and how narrative structure itself can shape extraordinary experiences. From “fictional incursions” to the power of the imaginal, this conversation challenges our assumptions about reality—and the stories that define it. BOOKS BY JOSHUA CUTCHIN Fourth Wall Phantoms: Reflections on the Paranormal, Narrative, and Fictions Becoming Fact Where the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal Thieves In The Night: A Brief History of Supernatural Child Abductions ⁠ Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: ⁠https://www.cosmosis.media/⁠ Join the Patreon: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia⁠ Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube:⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@InquirywithKellyChase Spotify:⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d⁠ Apple Podcasts:⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107⁠ Follow Cosmosis X:⁠ https://x.com/cosmosis_media⁠ Facebook:⁠ https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr⁠ Instagram:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media⁠ Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify:⁠ https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ⁠ Apple Music:⁠ https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117⁠ Amazon:⁠ https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC⁠ TIMESTAMPS 01:08 Introducing Joshua Cutchin: Exploring Folklore and High Strangeness 03:21 Diving into Fourth Wall Phantoms 07:23 Joshua's Perspective on Reality and Culture 08:39 The UFO Phenomenon and Cultural Interplay 15:11 Fictional Incursions: Characters Entering Reality 20:54 Kelly's Personal Experience of a Fictional Incursion: A Fictional Charater Brought to Life 26:13 The Role of Creative Types in Paranormal Experiences 34:04 Understanding Topas and Thought Forms 42:15 Jay's Experience: The Mystery of the Girl in Middletown 42:46 The Archetype of the Woman in White 44:23 Exploring Consciousness and Paranormal Experiences 44:56 The Phenomenon of Creepers 46:33 Narrative Structure and Human Experience 50:41 The Concept of Metalepsis 01:01:44 The Role of Media and Ritual 01:19:34 Personal Encounters and Synchronicities 01:25:26 Concluding Thoughts and Future Adventures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	You live your whole life and then in one second you learn what it's like for primal terror to swallow you, mind and body.
0:16.0	He was standing in the hallway, lit only on his left side by the bulb.
0:26.5	Just as he appeared in the photograph I'd found, he was very small, much shorter than his
0:32.3	brother, my father, Eric. The family had said he'd always been boy-faced and a bit skinny. Now, standing
0:40.9	there, he looked old and sick as well. But he looked angry, too. Not for a moment that I think
0:49.7	he was alive, and some terrible mistake had been made. I knew instinctively that he was not really there, that I was looking at Herman in the depleted
1:00.5	physical state he had died in.
1:04.0	He was wrong, he said again, his whole body trembling slightly.
1:09.6	He jabbed his finger toward me, almost in tears.
1:13.7	I could have been a chemist.
1:15.6	I had the grades.
1:18.3	I think I tried to speak then, but it was stable.
1:22.3	Uncle Herman kept his finger pointed in a threatening way,
1:26.6	as if it were up to me to change the past.
1:30.6	He turned with creaky slowness and took a couple of steps deeper into the hallway, toward the kitchen,
1:37.7	leaving all light behind him, becoming a silhouette.
1:41.5	He turned back just before he reached the threshold of the other room. His face was a
1:46.8	black blur, but his voice was still clear. There's a fourth body, you know, he said, voice,
1:54.9	hoarse. Shovel still in the shed.
2:02.7	Knife Point Horror.
2:08.9	Tales of supernatural suspense written, produced and narrated by Soren Narnia.
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