This is Radio Landic. I'm Isaac Dauver. What your hearing is Amazing Grace, played on the bells of the Mother

Emmanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina. I'm recording myself from the Charleston

Airport. I was just there at Mother Emmanuel to hear

Corey Booker give a speech on gun violence and white nationalism in the wake

of this weekend shootings. The first time I was at this church was four years

ago.

A few blocks away, I heard another rendition of Amazing Grace.

Amazing Grace. See, great, how sweet the sound. President Obama broke out in song at the memorial service for Reverend Clementa

Pinkney and I will tell you I've never been to a political speech like that.

Days earlier, Pinkney and eight other members of the Mother Emanuel Congregation

were murdered in the church basement by a white supremacist. In Booker's

speech there on Wednesday he spoke about the history of racism and violence

in America, how it built up to

that church shooting and what's happened since, and now how that history has led to

a crossroads. People's very lives are in the balance and to be frank the future of our country hangs in the

balance the character and the culture of who we are hangs in the balance. This is the crossroads, which is why we can't let these

conversations devolve into the impotent simplicity of who is or isn't a racist.

Because of the answer to the question,

do racism and white supremacy exist is yes, then the real question isn't who is or isn't a racist,

but who is and isn't doing something about it. After a speech I sat down with Booker.

We were in the pastor's office in the same basement where the shooting took place four years ago.

Here's our conversation. Well so let's start. What's it

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