CORRECTED: Freedom Practice in an Unfree World

How to Survive the End of the World

Society & Culture

4.8 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Some of you may have gotten the wrong audio when we posted this episode on 11/21/26. SORRY!

Today we're thrilled to feature the recent interview featuring Autumn from ⁠Next Economy Now⁠ with Ryan Honeyman.

In this episode, she shares her journey of moving from cooperative leadership at AORTA into a new phase of life focused on music, writing, and martial arts, as well as her forthcoming book on fugitivity. At the heart of her work is the question: how do we practice freedom in an unfree world?

Together, Autumn and Ryan dive into what has shifted since 2020—exploring the backlash to racial justice movements, the difference between symbolic versus relational change, and why so much of today’s organizing can feel performative when not grounded in real relationship. Autumn emphasizes the need to move beyond fear, resentment, or judgment and instead organize from love, courage, and grief—energies that replenish rather than deplete. The conversation touches on coalition building across difference, how to choose when to hold firm and when to meet people where they are, and what it means to reach for governing power while staying rooted in liberatory practice.

Toward the end, the two reflect on martial arts as a surprising but powerful practice for those committed to nonviolence. Autumn shares how Aikido has reshaped her relationship to conflict and power, while Ryan reflects on his own entry into boxing as a healthy channel for rage and resilience. Though a smaller part of the discussion, it underscores a central theme: the practices that help us stay grounded, embodied, and awake are essential to sustaining movements and our lives within them.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Autumn Brown:⁠ https://www.iambrown.org/⁠

Autumn Brown on LinkedIn:⁠ https://www.linkedin.com/in/autumn-brown-0bab514/⁠

Autumn Brown on Instagram:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/autumnmeghanbrown/⁠

How to Survive the End of the World:⁠ https://endoftheworldshow.org/⁠

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0:00.0	Hey, beloved survivors. This is Autumn and Adrienne. And we are dropping an episode into our feed that some of you have already heard, but we had a mercury retrograde, uh, perfuffle with this episode. So this is a bonus episode. It's an interview that I did
0:24.3	with Ryan Honeyman at the Next Economy Now podcast. And this interview is called freedom practice in an
0:30.6	unfree world. It's a conversation that we had about what is happening in our movements right now,
0:37.1	about my work around fugitivity.
0:39.7	And unfortunately, when we first aired the episode, we accidentally aired audio from a previous
0:45.8	interview that Ryan and I did back in 2020.
0:48.8	And so there are a few hundred of you who downloaded that interview and have not been
0:53.0	able to figure out how to get
0:54.5	the corrected audio. So we just decided to drop it. Including me. Including dear sister
1:00.4	Adrian. I was like, I want to hear it. Unable to get the updated episode. So we decided,
1:06.5	let's just make it easy for everyone. We're just posting the episode again.
1:18.5	So here it is freedom practice in an unfree world with Autumn Brown, myself, and Ryan Honeyman.
1:19.6	So good.
1:22.3	Welcome to Next Economy Now.
1:28.7	The goal of this podcast series is to highlight the leaders who are taking a regenerative,
1:36.9	bioregional, equitable, democratic, racially just, and whole systems approach to creating the new economy.
1:38.9	I'm Ryan Honeyman, a partner at Lyft Economy.
1:42.2	My guest today is Autumn Brown for the third time to have you back.
1:47.1	Welcome back, Autumn. Thank you. O.G. guest. O.G. guest. Autumn is a mother, movement leader, and
1:54.9	musician whose organizing work is rooted in black feminist and fugitive freedom movements. She has spent over 20 years
2:02.1	organizing for healing justice, facilitating movement strategy, and training organizers in
2:07.4	consensus process, facilitation, and racial justice. Autumn is a 2020 Auburn Seminary Lives
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