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Corporations Were Always People

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🗓️ 19 February 2020

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Ten years ago Citizens United declared that corporations are people and that their money is speech. A historian tells us actually, it was ever thus.

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0:00.0

I'm Bob Garfield. On the big show this week, we'll be asking questions about the role of money in the primary process.

0:06.8

Specifically, is pack money bad money? What about dark money?

0:11.8

Does accepting billionaire money tarnish your progressive credentials?

0:16.5

What if you are the billionaire?

0:18.7

But no discussion of money in politics is complete without a tip of the hat to Citizens United,

0:25.1

the landmark Supreme Court ruling of 10 years ago that recognized corporations as people and their money as speech.

0:33.7

That ruling was followed a few years ago by the Hobby Lobby decision, giving business owners the right to flout federal law based on their religious beliefs.

0:43.8

To many Americans, particularly on the left, both rulings were bizarre and ominous expansions of corporate rights.

0:51.3

But if you think this is the novel handiwork of a uniquely conservative

0:55.8

Supreme Court, you haven't been paying attention to the past three or four hundred years of

1:01.5

court cases and American history. Adam Winkler, professor of law at UCLA, is the author of Wee,

1:08.1

the Corporations, how American Business won their civil rights.

1:12.6

He told us in 2018 that the principle of corporate rights has been litigated forever

1:18.6

and predates our very founding.

1:21.6

Think of our very origin story,

1:24.3

the pilgrims fleeing here to escape tyranny and religious persecution, right?

1:30.3

Eh, no.

1:32.2

Pilgrims are sort of the perfect embodiment of American values and how we like to see them.

1:37.0

But the first permanent English colony was in Jamestown, and it was a corporate affair run by the Virginia Company of London, and it was

1:45.2

designed to make money not to exercise religious liberty.

1:49.0

All right.

1:50.0

The Republic was born, I've heard rumored, in 1776.

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