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The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

Corey Hoffstein - “Risk Cannot Be Destroyed, Only Transformed" | #68

The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

The Idea Farm

Management, Investing, Business

4.8978 Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2017

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 68, we welcome Meb’s friend and Newfound Research founder, Cory Hoffstein (or as Meb refers to him, a “fellow nerd”). Per usual, we start with Corey’s background, but then Meb jumps in by asking Corey to describe his general, 10K foot investing framework.  Corey tells us that a specific product and/or style doesn’t necessarily define him or Newfound. Rather, he believes in a consistent, well-researched process that takes into account the behavioral challenges that accompany any given investment strategy. This is because the journey is often just as important as the destination. Meb asks where Corey starts when creating a portfolio. Corey tells us it’s about the balance of risk. This is because “risk cannot be destroyed, only transformed.” Therefore, when building a portfolio, there’s no single holy grail. You need to understand the goals and fears of your client, then figure out how to balance various strategies in order to find a robust, flexible portfolio that handles risk appropriately. This dovetails into one of Newfound’s white papers, “Portfolios in Wonderland,” which tackles today’s investing climate. Corey tells us that we’re in a unique environment, whether focusing on equity valuations or interest rates. It used to be that stocks and bonds zigged when the other zagged. But in the 1980s, both became cheap. Today, we have the opposite: high equity values and low yields on fixed income. This leads to a great discussion on bonds, including Corey’s rule of thumb for estimating future bond returns, and his research into the source of bond returns – how much was due to the coupon, versus declining rates and roll yield. The guys agree that with U.S. equities richly valued, and bond yields so low, future returns of the classic 60/40 portfolio don’t look too appetizing. So, what’s the solution? Corey likes the proliferation of asset classes that used to be found almost exclusively in hedge funds. Now, we can use them to diversify our portfolios and reach a solid rate of return. The conversation bounces around a bit here – how 8%-10% returns aren’t likely going forward unless you’re invested exclusively in emerging markets... how if you let a portfolio optimizer do its thing, you’d have almost no U.S. exposure in either equities or bonds... and how, behaviorally, most people couldn’t have 0% allocated to the S&P, so finding a balance between the best portfolio and the most realistic portfolio is needed. There’s way more in this episode, including answers to “Should we be holding more cash?” “Is dividend investing dangerous” and “How do you factor in various global interest rates when looking at a bond allocation?” There’s also how Corey constructs multi-asset portfolios… how value works across asset classes… the biggest concerns Corey is hearing from clients today… an idea Meb has for a “weird ETF”… and of course, Corey’s most memorable trade. What is it? Find out in Episode 68. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mebb Faver Show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

0:12.6

Join us as we discuss the craft of investing

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and uncover new and profitable ideas,

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all to help you grow wealthier and wiser.

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Better investing starts here.

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Mepp Faber is the co-founder and chief investment officer at Cambria Investment Management.

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Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this podcast.

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All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not

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reflect the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its affiliates.

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For more information, visit cambria Investments.com.

0:50.7

Happy summertime podcasted Podcast listeners.

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We are excited to have a rare in-person

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podcast guest.

0:57.0

Cori Hofstein, welcome on the show.

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Thanks for having me here, Meb.

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So we have a fellow nerd, I can say that, because I was an engineer once upon a time.

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Corey did computer science?

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Yes, computer science.

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And computational finance?

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Yep, that was the grad program.

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That is double nerd.

1:14.8

All right, well, we'll get to that in a second, but he runs new found research based out of,

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