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My real passion is discovering unbelievable unheard stories and working with the biggest

stars who can really bring those stories to life.

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edit.

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You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.

I've got Alistair Cook along side me and Michael Vaughan and we're just reflecting

so much on Stuart Brookes, it's been a lot of time affecting him and his career.

But on how and when you decide to quit, and I'll start with you, Alistair, because it was

here five years ago, and just from a personal point of view, it's one of the most remarkable

atmospheres I've ever experienced at the cricket ground when you announced your retirement

before that test match.

And so the crowd all knew that you were leaving and I know there's going to be difficult

for you to hear.

I'll fill in the details, but basically everybody was, I think, grateful, actually, for the

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