In 1860, Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis gave a speech in the U.S. Senate, announcing

that the inequality of the white and black races was stamped from the beginning.

In their graphic novels, stamped from the beginning, a graphic history of racist ideas in America,

my guest today discussed how racism has persisted throughout history and the anti-racist efforts

that are there to dismantle it.

Author Dr. Eram X. Kendi is the Andrew W. Mellon professor in the humanities at Boston University,

and the founding director of the BU Center of Anti-Racist Research.

He is the author of stamped from the beginning, the definitive history of racist ideas in America,

which won the National Book Award for Non-Fiction.

He also produced five number one New York Times bestsellers, including How to Be an Anti-Racist.

The illustrator, Joel Christian Gill, is the chair of the MFA and Visual Narrative at Boston University.

He's a cartoonist and historian who speaks nationally on the importance of sharing stories.

He is the author of the acclaimed memoir, Fight One Boy's Triumph of Irvidence.

Sighted as one of the best graphic novels of 2020 by the New York Times,

and for which he was awarded the 2021 cartoonist studio prize.

Both these gentlemen and their incredible book join me here on the Michael Still podcast right after this.

Hey everybody, welcome to the Michael Still podcast.

And boy, do we have a treat today for our conversation.

I'm really, really excited.

As I noted in our intro, we've got two gentlemen who have pinned an incredibly important book

on a number of levels which we'll get into.

But the creativity behind this book is what I find to be the most fascinating

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