Hello, this is Let's Talk About Miss Baby.

And I am your host, Liv, here with a conversation episode, surprise, surprise.

But this one is directly connected with this past Tuesday's episode, all about Helen

of Sparta.

I spoke with Alexia Burrow's Carol Mbidu, all about the concept of the Kalon Cacon, the

beautiful evil that is so often used to refer to, I mean, very specifically Pandora, but

Alexia's got some incredible points about women beyond Pandora that can be termed this

so-called beautiful evil in ancient Greek.

There's sort of a set of opposites, the Kalon Cacon, and it's utterly fascinating.

I've wanted to look more into this for ages, and so Alexia reached out and said, hey,

I've just been studying this.

Like, this is perfect, incredible.

So we had such a fun conversation.

We did talk for a really long time about a host of different things, so you know, there

are moments where it might be clear that you missed a conversation switch in there, but

honestly it was so much fun.

I learned so much.

Alexia is so knowledgeable on this, completely fascinating.

We really had so much fun.

It was so lovely having Alexia on, and I hope you enjoy this wonderful conversation episode

in large part about, oh, that fascinating woman I have spent two weeks talking about already

Helen of Sparta.

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