Conversations: Blood-Sweat Horses and Empire, Ancient Greece and China w/ Lee Moore
Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! | Greek Mythology & the Ancient Mediterranean
Liv Albert
4.6 • 5.6K Ratings
🗓️ 1 May 2026
⏱️ 87 minutes
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Summary
This week Liv and Michaela sit down to talk with Lee Moore of the Chinese Literature Podcast all about the time Ancient China may have met Ancient Greece. The conversations slowly descends into madness and talking about empire generally, as China is very outside of our wheelhouse of history. Lee has also recently published a book, China's Backstory: The History Beijing Doesn't Want You to Read, so search that out if you're interested!
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, nerds, I'm just here with a quick bit of news. So if you've ever thought of splurging on a trip to a couple of Greek islands and Athens, and you want to do it with me in October of this year, check the link in this episode's description or go to mythsbaby.com slash group trip for more information. It's happening. |
| 0:20.0 | Highlights include following in Ariadne's footsteps as she flees the dreaded Theseus. |
| 0:25.6 | Mythsbaby.com slash grouptrip. |
| 1:09.3 | Music The Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Let's Talk About Myths, baby. |
| 1:11.3 | We're back this week with another conversation episode, and this time it's a little different because we're talking with |
| 1:16.0 | Lee Moore of the Chinese Literature Podcast. Yes, Chinese literature and generally actually |
| 1:23.0 | Chinese history in this one, which is not something we ever discussed because it is far outside |
| 1:29.3 | of our realm of expertise and what we present to the show. However, this was very interesting to us, |
| 1:34.9 | and so we wanted to bring it to you all. See, Lee came to us and told us about an event that |
| 1:40.4 | where the ancient Chinese possibly met the ancient Greeks in the second century BCE. |
| 1:48.4 | And that was way too interesting. |
| 1:50.4 | So we had to pick it up and hear about it. |
| 1:53.8 | So that's what this episode is about. |
| 1:55.8 | It also just generally derails into talking about empire and colonization and stuff about China generally |
| 2:04.7 | and studying antiquities and, you know, all those things. I was a little off my rocker while |
| 2:11.6 | recording this episode. I was having a bad ADHD day, so I apologize in advance for all my cackling. |
| 2:20.1 | Trust me, I can see it when it's coming up on the sound waves while editing, and I cringe every time. So anyways, I'll let us get to the show |
| 2:27.6 | and enjoy. Conversations, Blood, Sweat Horses and Empire, Ancient Greece in China with Lee Mourne. |
| 3:43.1 | I mean, we, I have to admit, like the topic you sent us is so unique that I'm a little like, oh, God, what do I ask? So I think I'm just going to kind of let you introduce yourself and we can kind of go from there, if you don't mind. Yeah, let's do it. So I'm Lee Moore. I just wrote a book. China's backstory, the history, Beijing doesn't want you to read. It's about the four China-related topics popping up in the news feeds of a lot of folks in America, Canada, the broader West, Taiwan, Xinjiang, the Chinese economy, and I do it in a very, a way that's meant to be friendly to the average reader. |
| 3:46.5 | So like people who don't normally pick up a book about China will pick it up. |
| 3:51.4 | I have a section, a chapter in the Taiwan section called the most important motherfucker in Taiwanese history. |
| 3:52.9 | And it's about a 1670 sex scandal that changed the history of Taiwan. |
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