Conversation Rewind with Kate Summerscale: The Suspicions of Mr. Whicher
Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson
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🗓️ 29 December 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
The brutal murder of a 3-year-old shocked Victorian England not only because of how it happened, but because of who the police suspected. Could one of Britain’s most famous detectives solve the case? Author Kate Summerscale tells us the story at the center of her book, The Suspicions of Mr. Whicher.
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| 0:46.5 | This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised. |
| 1:00.6 | This seemed so anomalous, and the house had seemed so well secured with the great wall around it, and it seemed like the safest place to have a child and to protect a child. |
| 1:17.4 | I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas. |
| 1:25.8 | I'm also the host of the historical true crime podcast, Tenfold War Wicked, and the co-host of the podcast, Buried Bones on Exactly Right. I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show, |
| 1:29.5 | and they are all excellent writers. They've had so many great true crime stories, and now we want to |
| 1:35.0 | tell you those stories with details that have never been published. Tenfold More Wicked |
| 1:39.9 | Presents Wicked Words is about the choices that writers make good and bad. It's a deep dive |
| 1:46.1 | into the stories behind the stories. The brutal murder of a three-year-old shocked |
| 1:53.2 | Victorian England not only because of how it happened, but because of who the police |
| 1:58.4 | suspected. Could one of Britain's most famous detectives solve the case? |
| 2:02.9 | Author Kate Somerscale tells us the story at the center of her book, The Suspitions of Mr. Witcher. |
| 2:10.6 | Let's start with where we are in time. |
| 2:13.5 | What year are we talking about and where does the central action take place in your story? |
| 2:18.8 | This murder took place in a village in the English countryside in Wiltshire in 1860. |
| 2:27.1 | So it was the height of Victoria's reign over Britain and a time when the domestic ideal was at its height as well, the idea of the |
| 2:37.0 | sanctity of the home and the perfection of the sort of bourgeois middle-class family. |
| 2:41.8 | Tell me a little bit about the village because we have a largely American audience who I'm |
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