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Today, Explained

Controversy for controversy's sake

Today, Explained

Vox

Politics, Daily News, News

4.3 • 10.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2018

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

A 32-year-old from Santa Monica, California, helped President Trump conceive of the most divisive immigration policy in decades. The Atlantic’s McKay Coppins explains how Stephen Miller went from high school troll to West Wing advisor. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:15.6

If you want to hear the president defend his immigration policies, you've got any number

0:18.9

of outlets to choose from.

0:20.3

You've got Twitter, you've got the tweets on cable news, you've got the rallies, you've

0:24.7

got the rallies being broadcast on cable news.

0:27.5

But his senior advisor, Stephen Miller, the guy everyone says helped craft these policies

0:33.5

inside the White House, he's been really quiet.

0:36.5

From what I've heard and what's been reported, the reason for that is that the Trump administration

0:40.9

realized that Stephen Miller really isn't a good spokesman for this issue.

0:46.2

He excels at agitation, not persuasion.

0:48.9

McCay coppins rights for the Atlantic.

0:51.5

Before Stephen Miller went quiet, McCay got some first hand experience with his particular

0:56.6

brand of agitation.

0:58.9

He often would say things that seemed calibrated to kind of get a rise out of me or to just

1:08.0

kind of needle me.

1:09.4

Give me an example, give me an example of a Stephen Miller troll.

1:12.9

Oh man, I mean, some of them things were little, like he called himself a conservative social

1:18.6

justice warrior early on in the conversation.

1:22.6

He was making this very kind of emphatic case that the best movie he'd seen in the last

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