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The Rachel Maddow Show

Contrast in defense secretaries highlights Trump's failure to take staffing government seriously

The Rachel Maddow Show

MSNBC

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4.534K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Rachel Maddow looks at the impressive list of accomplishments and credentials of former Secretary of Defense General Lloyd Austin, who served under President Biden, and the relatively meager experience of cable news personality Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump's choice to replace him.

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So he played rugby and he ran track at West Point. He also did two master's degrees and got an MBA on top of that.

0:09.3

Rifle platoon leader, scout platoon leader, then company executive officer, battalion commander, and then brigade commander in the 82nd Airborne.

0:18.5

He helped lead the initial invasion of Baghdad in March 2003.

0:22.5

He rolled his mechanized division straight from the Kuwait border overland right into the

0:26.8

center of Baghdad, won a silver star for his valor in that operation. Then to Afghanistan,

0:33.8

where he led the 10th Mountain Division. Then he became chief of staff at CENTCOM. Then he was the top U.S. commander in the Iraq War, in the whole war. He was actually the one who wound down U.S. forces at the end of the Iraq War. He was then named Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Army. Then he went back to Ccom, this time as commander of Sentcom.

0:56.1

Then he built and led the force that waged the war against ISIS.

1:02.8

And then, and only then, was he considered for the really big job, Secretary of Defense.

1:15.5

And that is the man who just left office as Secretary of Defense. The man who just arrived to take his job, he was a platoon leader in the National Guard,

1:25.4

but now he too is Secretary of Defense. Both of them, obviously, honorable

1:31.6

records of service. Not equivalent, though, I think you'd say, in terms of demonstrated

1:38.2

leadership, experience, complex organizational management experience in particular. I mean, four-star General Lloyd Austin had led like a whole war or two.

1:50.0

And he had been chief of staff and then commander at CENTCOM just before being named as Defense Secretary.

1:56.0

Centcom is the part of the U.S. military that has as its area of responsibility, the Middle East

2:02.3

and Central Asia and South Asia. That was what he was in charge of. I mean, that was his experience

2:10.1

heading in to become defense secretary. That who is, that's who has just left as defense

2:15.8

secretary. The guy who has just arrived,

2:19.5

well, just before he was named as defense secretary, Pete Higseff, he led, uh, one third of the

2:26.1

famous curvy couch on the Fox and Friends Fox News Channel weekend show. I have to say,

2:32.1

it may be that he led one fourth of the couch the couch, not one-third. I'm not totally

2:36.1

sure how many hosts they have, but we could only find these pictures of him sharing with two,

2:40.2

so maybe he held down a third. That said, prior to his time at the Fox News Channel, Mr.

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