We're talking about over-spiritualizing everyday life. I think that it begins with a pulpit.

And what I mean by that is because our shepherds are not teaching the sheep how not to over-spiritualize

the text. And so people sit inside of a group, they read a verse, and then they go around and they

say, what does it mean to you? What does it mean to you? Now what does it mean to you, no, no, no. There's one thing that you can extract from that when you put it in its proper historical context.

Now there could be different applications, perhaps, but when we approach the Word of God, what did the original author intend for the original audience whom the letter was written. So if they hear thunder from

the pulpit, this is what it teaches. This is what the scripture means. We have to grab a hold

of a text, put it in its proper context, lest it become a pretext with everything out of context.

I don't know who said it. I don't even know if I worded that correctly. You just said it. I did just say. My name is Mark Anthony Spence. Right? So

it starts with the pulpit that you must convince your people. You must continually share with your

people. When you open up the Word of God, we are going to try to extrapolate from the Word of God what it actually says. And that is called exegeting the text.

And what we don't want to do is the opposite, which is isogeating the text, and that is putting

into the text that which we hope it says. And people do this all the time, just one-on-one,

where we are going from person to person to try to find somebody who's going to agree with me,

as opposed to someone who's just going to give me the Word of God,

and challenge me according to the text.

So it starts with the pulpit.

That's so important, Mark.

I think that's an excellent place to start, because I think, like you're saying,

a lot of over-spiritualizing begins with a misunderstanding

of what the word is teaching and what the word is saying. And so people will take certain texts

and then just start to extrapolate from there that this is this is what that means. And so

they get this like, you know, sense about them where everything is, man, it's got to be, you know,

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