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The cold weather's gone, which means that in the studio is Mr. Matt Hughes making his way in from far west London somewhere

near Matthew Siaid's house right?

The shed at the bottom of the garden. There you go. In fact, he's Matthew sides groundskeeper for those who didn't know.

And we're joined not just by former England Defender.

That would be pretty generic and ordinary here, but one who scored in a World Cup.

That's right, making his game podcast debut, it's Matthew Upson.

Later on we'll be discussing some of Martin Glenn's silly comments.

He's the chief executive of the FA and until recently I thought the more

grown-up of the two between him and Greg Clark, but we start with the

Champions and the Champions elect at the Et. Chelsea line up with no center forward.

They had two of them on the bench.

They played a very conservative game.

It was condemned as anti-football by some.

Where do you stand on this?

Because you could also look at it the other way and say yeah okay so

we just sat back and then try to score we kept it close and then laid on Moses

at a chance and maybe we could have nicked something.

Was that the right approach or was that actually kind of embarrassing?

You know, in many ways the approach is the approach. I don't think it matters too much.

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