Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jemina Jamel, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're okay and I hope you're ready because today's chat is just everything.

I can't stop thinking about it since I spoke to my guest. I've been so moved and encouraged and

inspired. Her name is Constance Wu, who you might know because she is a world famous and very

beloved actress. And now she is also an author of her own book Making a Scene, which is coming out

October 4th, which is a biography of everything that she has been through, everything she thinks and

feels. You may have seen some headlines of late about everything triggered, I guess, the instinct

to write a book that is so personal and so honest. I think she's just fascinating and so straight

up, so unguarded in a way that you never see from people at that level of fame. She's so driven

to stop others from feeling alone in any of their feelings. And so she just puts her heart on

her sleeve and is willing to open herself up to everyone in spite of how vulnerable that makes her.

And I find that so fucking inspiring and generous and something that we do not see typically

of Asian people because especially Asian women, we are so both like East Asians, South Asian,

we are so discouraged from telling anyone that anything is wrong because we are supposed to be

the strong nurturers, the strong but silent nurturers of our families. But I think regardless of

where you're from or what you look like, there are elements to this episode that will just speak to you,

things that you will have experienced, things you would have seen, things you've wanted to understand.

We really unpack systems and we get into the nitty gritty of her mental health.

In this episode, we talk about her being at the centre of an online hate pile on and the way

that affected her mental health. I do want to offer a trigger warning that we do discuss self-harm

and suicidal ideation and suicidal attempts not in any great grave detail, but I just want you

to know that it's in there. And so if you're feeling fragile right now, maybe revisit this episode

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