And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?

With me today is fellow researcher Yaake Haxtram.

Thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks for having me.

Well, it's night here.

It's tomorrow morning there.

In a sense, I feel like I'm talking to a man from the future

well I used to say to my old friend Jim he was living in Hawaii

there was like a 12 hour time difference

when he got you know he got to bed around 8 9 p.m. and it was 8 or 9 a.m. for me

so it's like you know now I'm taking the pass.

Yes. That's, yeah, that's the complete inversion. Yeah, 12, 12. But I thought it was kind of

when my day, like, started, his day ended.

And we were very connected, talked a lot.

I don't know if you know about Jim Chessner.

No, but I'll remember the name and look into him.

Yeah, a real wizard.

Not a real wizard like that, but aeller yeah sure really an interesting guy i'm always

looking for new people to to find and you know read up on and maybe have them on and everything

yeah i passed away like oh okay uh two years ago, three years ago.

I don't remember exactly.

It was winter.

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