And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?

My guest today is author, musician, artist, researcher, and host of strange familiars, Timothy Renner.

Welcome and thanks for coming on.

Oh, thanks so much for having me.

Yeah.

Before you came on, actually, my power shut off.

Just a real quick, and it cut back on, and the light started strobing, like dark green.

Oh, that's weird.

I know.

And it's a dark green color that I don't have available because some of these lights

have a remote and I've never been able to accomplish that shade of green.

So I don't know what's going on.

I don't know what's in store for us this evening.

Well, let's find out.

And I should mention too before I had a podcast before I knew I was going to have a podcast

I came across your show and the coolest part of doing this is getting to talk to people

who kind of had a hand in influencing me.

So in your podcast is one of the few shows that had,

that kind of had me aspiring to start my own.

That's, thank you.

That's a huge compliment.

That's the way I started too.

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