And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?

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A lot of unheard episodes up there that you guys are going to want to check out.

Joining me, though, let's get down to business.

Joining me today is researcher Matthew Lane and his guest, Christine Gilberti.

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How are you?

I'm good. Thank you for having us.

Yeah, absolutely. I'll just throw in a little bit of a back story here and I'll keep it short.

I was, I had an invite to be on a show that Matthew spoke on. I didn't do the show because I had another show that night.

But when I got out of my show that night,

I went back and listened to his on a cult rejects.

And very impressed with what I heard.

And, but there was one little thing in there that really kind of caught my eye.

He was doing a thing on Kent State,

but at some point in there, he's like,

this is like my secondary story or something like that.

I'm paraphrasing.

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