My guests today literally need no introduction, but nonetheless, we are going to go through that.

I'm here to talk about AI and its implications for data privacy with Ben Gertzel, CEO of SingularityNet,

a distributed AI project that promises to perhaps address some of the problems we want to talk about today.

And of course, Edward Snowden, President of the Freedom of the Press Foundation, who is in remotely for us.

Edward, hello? You got us?

Yeah, I got you. Can you hear me? Awesome. Great. Thanks for being here today, Edward and Ben.

To just set the stage very quickly, we have seen obviously an explosion in interest over the last six to nine months in generative AI in particular,

but we are going to see a lot of different aspects of that continuing to grow.

And obviously AI is both very dependent on data and has really spectacular capacities to handle data.

And it changes the stakes for some of the issues that really

lie at the core of what crypto is about and why people care about it or at least some

ideas that everybody in crypto is very concerned with.

My first question is, you know, we're going to try and keep things a bit open, but this

one is primarily for Edward.

You know, we do, and we have now for years, unfortunately, lived in a reality where mass

surveillance and data gathering are omnipresent, practically, whether it's government or private.

And I would like to hear your, I think, frankly ominous take

on what the increasing capacity of artificial intelligence

means for those huge data troves that already exist and are constantly growing data about what all of

us do on a day-to-day basis in our private lives that are in the hands of corporations and governments.

What does AI mean for all of that surveillance?

Yeah, I think in order to understand where we are, where we're headed, we have to

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