This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske.

Here now, Tony Bruske.

I think we're getting pretty close to vehicular manslaughter being proven here.

I mean, for a while there, I was kind of thinking, I don't know if there's enough to quite get her on that.

But I feel like there probably is at this point.

I mean, there's a hair of his on the, you know, the light itself.

Everyone can interpret, you know, bodily injury in different ways on this of, was it a vehicle strike? Was it not? I mean, yeah, there's different interpretations there. But I think

we're almost to that point, if we're not already past it, but we're really kind of getting

closer to second degree murder. Because we're almost to that point if we're not already past it, but we're really kind of getting closer to second degree murder because we're showing consciousness that he's outside. And she has

this knowledge before they actually find him in the snow. And I know they're going to go, well,

like I just said, maybe this, maybe that. But how else are you going to have that knowledge?

How else are, I mean, whether it's like right there consciously or not or just a really bad feeling that something bad happened last night.

And I forgot it or pushed it away.

And here it is coming back.

Yeah, Tony, I think that the vehicular homicide charge was the strongest to begin with, in part

because my reading of that charge does require Karen Reed to even have no that she made

contact with John O'Keefe.

My reading of it is that so long as Karen Reid was drunk and driving and caused the death of another person through those actions, that's pretty much it, man.

And so vehicular homicide is looking pretty darn favorable for the prosecution right now.

And like you said, I think we're inching towards the second-degree murder.

I think the second-degree murder is a higher bar, of course, and requires sort of a higher

mental state and perhaps some intentionality or at least volitional conduct.

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