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Teaching Hard History

Confronting Hard History at Montpelier

Teaching Hard History

Learning for Justice

History, Courses, Education

4.2588 Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2018

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

At James Madison's Montpelier, an exhibit models how to explore American slavery at a historic site through the commitment to accuracy and truth about slavery and engagement with the descendants of the enslaved community. Christian Cotz, Price Thomas and Patrice Preston Grimes explain how that happened and why it is important. This episode originally aired in May 2018.

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I have always been fascinated by historic sights, mesmerized by the thought of standing in the

0:07.9

very same place where history happened. As a kid growing up in New York, I enjoyed field trips to

0:15.4

places that commemorated the American Revolution in nearby Massachusetts, even more than I did getaways to

0:22.7

Great Adventure Amusement Park in neighboring New Jersey. History, of course, happens everywhere.

0:30.3

But pivotal moments in history happen only in specific places, and only a handful of those places

0:37.4

have been preserved.

0:39.7

So a year or so ago, when I was invited to be a part of a small focused think tank about

0:45.9

race and the legacy of American slavery at Montpelier, the Virginia estate of James Madison,

0:52.7

the nation's fourth president, I immediately said yes.

0:58.0

James Madison was the father of the United States Constitution.

1:02.3

He was also an enslaver.

1:05.3

He held more than 100 people in bondage at his plantation and never freed a single soul, not even upon his death.

1:15.8

So while the historian in me, as well as the kid in me, was enthusiastic and eager about being

1:23.3

a part of this dialogue at Madison's home, the African American in me, the brother in me,

1:30.0

had serious reservations. As a descendant of enslaved African Americans, I hold no affection

1:39.4

for those who kept my people in bondage, nor fondness for the forced labor camps where they toiled.

1:47.8

This is a part of that double consciousness

1:50.2

that Du Bois talked about,

1:51.9

the inescapable way black people see America,

1:55.2

because of the harsh way America treats black people.

1:59.2

These thoughts are not easily set aside, which is part of the cost of

2:03.2

being black and woke, so I carry these thoughts with me to the think tank. The Montpelia

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