Welcome to confronting capitalism.

I'm Melissa Nashek, and I'm here, as always, with Vecbber, a professor of sociology at NYU

and the editor of Catalyst, a journal of theory and strategy.

Just a quick reminder before we get into our discussion, if you have any questions for Vecke

or suggestions for future topics on the show, you can email us at confronting.capitalism

at jacobin.com.

We've already gotten a lot of great questions and suggestions, so we're really excited to keep hearing

from our listeners.

It's been terrific, exactly what we were hoping for.

And we are going to come up with some way of acknowledging the

emails we get and responding to them. So I encourage people to keep sending them. So this past weekend,

we were at the 15th anniversary conference for Jacobin Magazine, where Vivek gave a really awesome speech, just kind of summarizing

how we got to the present day circumstance of the left, you know, how to understand the

left's current position in politics and sort of where to go from there. And you made a really

strong case that the left needs to approach politics with a class primacy framework,

as opposed to the sort of intersectionality framework that has been dominant on the left for a really long time.

And that was received very well, pretty much unthinkable 10 years ago.

Yeah, you know, the real core of the talk that I gave was that we're in a situation now

we're not trying to revive the left, but essentially we're trying to create a left where

one doesn't exist anymore because the last 40 years of neoliberalism has seen such a complete

flatlining of trade union movements and general

social movements that there's been a profound depoliticization, even of people who call themselves

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