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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Conformity Is the ‘Enemy of Progress, Creativity and Business’

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

This week on The BoF Podcast, Condé Nast Britain’s chief business officer speaks with purpose and intuition coach Mory Fontanez about leading as an outsider in the modern workplace.


Background:


In 2017, Vanessa Kingori became British Vogue’s first female publishing director. Since then, she has become a mother, received an MBE and stepped into the additional role of chief business officer of Condé Nast Britain.


At BoF VOICES 2021, Kingori shared her leadership lessons with Mory Fontanez, purpose and intuition coach and founder of consultancy 822 Group. They discussed the importance of trusting intuition in the workplace to bolster data-driven decisions while also challenging conformity to allow for creativity.


“With the wonderful thing that is hindsight, I’ve realised it’s okay to be intuitive,” said Kingori. “It’s actually great to lean into your differences rather than try to push to assimilate too much.”



Key Insights: 


  • Throughout her life, Kingori has leaned into being a newcomer, “I think I've been extremely fortunate in that I have lived a life where I am used to being an outsider. I've been in an organisation now for over 12 years and in every single facet of my work at Condé Nast, I've been the outsider,” Kingori says. 


  • For Kingori, being different has not only been personally beneficial, but also forms part of her business philosophy. “I think conformity is the enemy of progress and creativity in business. It's completely strange that we're all sort of desperately trying to belong to a tribe, think the same, and all of those things.”  


  • Intuition is a cornerstone of Kingori’s leadership philosophy. “Let your intuition be the starting point. Intuition is about a subconscious understanding of something, but that subconscious understanding comes from somewhere. It's not magic… It's that you have experienced or observed something that underpins a strong belief,” she says.



BoF VOICES, our annual gathering for big thinkers, returns from Nov. 28 to Nov. 30, 2023. The entire event will be livestreamed for BoF Professional All-Access members. Register now to join us.



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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion.

0:08.2

Welcome to the BOF podcast. It's Friday, November 3rd.

0:12.3

In the coming weeks, we will be sharing some of my favorite conversations from BOF voices going all the way back to 2016.

0:19.9

This week, we revisit an inspiring conversation with

0:23.0

Vanessa Kingori, the chief business officer of Condonast Britain. At BOF Voices 2021, Vanessa shared

0:30.5

her lessons in leadership with purpose coach Mori Fontenez, underscoring the importance of

0:36.2

leveraging intuition in leadership and decision making.

0:40.2

Let your intuition be the starting point.

0:43.4

Intuition is about a subconscious understanding of something, but that subconscious understanding

0:50.4

comes from somewhere.

0:51.9

It's not magic, it's that you have experienced or observed

0:56.0

something that underpins a strong belief. BOF Voices 20203 will be live streamed for BOF professional

1:03.2

all access members from November 28 to November 30th. Check out the link in the episode notes and

1:09.6

sign up today for your front row seat at

1:11.9

BOF's annual gathering for big thinkers. In the meantime, here's Vanessa Kingori on the BOF

1:17.8

podcast. So I wanted to start by asking you how in your brilliant career you were just

1:25.2

promoted two months ago to chief business officer

1:27.9

of Condonass Britain's brands.

1:30.0

You still oversee Vogue UK and Vogue in Europe.

1:35.2

So a lot of responsibility, a lot of different balls in the air.

1:38.8

What is your relationship with intuition and how do you lean into it?

1:43.5

Yeah. I mean, we've had the most amazing conversations, actually.

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