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What if I tell you that everything we're going through right now, every event since the

1950s, 60s and 70s and onward is all actually happening according to a divine plan.

It's all been ordained long time ago. It's all been foretold.

I can go to anywhere university campuses prisons

mosques gangs even I can go to them and say you want to be completely forgiven

they will say yes well join the jihad.

When you have people who feel guilty, when they are afraid of eternal punishment,

when other factors comes in, like identity crisis,

the feeling of anger over injustice deprivation alienation when all of this come together it is a toxic mixture which makes people vulnerable to people who could recruit them.

I'm Thomas Small, with a mane,

I'm Thomas Small, with Aimandine,

former al-Qaeda member.

This is conflicted, a podcast series where we explore the War on Terror of Islamist terror,

of America's adventures in the Middle East.

It's an extremely complex tapestry.

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